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Post by Kelley on Feb 23, 2006 16:01:13 GMT -5
Do you think it had more or less of an effect on either gender ? What do you personally think about this? NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONGWere any gay (men/women) touched by it? or straight (men/women) ? (If you are not comfortable stating which category you fall into, feel no pressure!! But please know that all genders and orientations are accepted and welcomed here )
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Post by ragnar84 on Mar 2, 2006 11:30:56 GMT -5
I think it will most likely be more poignant for gay men - I was completely devastated by it. I'm sure there are many people who can draw direct parallels between this film and their own lives. One of my straight girlfriends said she was really moved by it, but didn't think it deserved all the BAFTA's and recognition. I totally disagree! Maybe it's because gay people have never been portrayed as so human before, and that strikes a chord
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Post by Kelley on Mar 2, 2006 13:37:57 GMT -5
(Thank you for bringing this thread to life!!!)
I could not agree more with you, I would imagine that seeing a film that relates to your own life is so powerful words cannot describe. As (this is my guess, feel free to correct me!!) but you associate with either Ennis or Jack or a combination of the two and can relate to more situation than one, and probably most of all society, though things have changed since the 60s ...we have a long way to go!
Me, being a straight female could not have been more impacted by any film. I have several gay friends and think the world of them. As well, it was a love story so pure that was so fresh. There has never before been anything like Brokeback Mountain- remotely on that ball field, and I doubt that there ever could be again. It was a deeply touching film on so many levels and I think with you it deserves every award there is to give!!
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Post by tulipa on Mar 3, 2006 16:12:40 GMT -5
Gay men will feel very connected to it... it's a serious movie (finally) about a gay relationship and the contradictions it has to face for living in a society that stills thinks gay are like freaks of nature. It's shot in a very sensitive way (no presuption or excessive melodrama) and in my point of view it condems a society that doesn't let you live according to your (heart) choices.
But of course, the feeling "love" is universal and that's way, I, as a woman, also feel touched by it.
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Post by ysang on Mar 4, 2006 20:10:25 GMT -5
yeah, i totally agree with you guys...
i found my whole longings, hopes and problems in the movie, i just wonder how straight men think about it... i mean not everybody is like rafael:)
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Post by freezzze on Mar 5, 2006 8:01:55 GMT -5
Yes, I believe gay people are more connected to it. I would really like to know how straight friends of mine would react to it! I also find the movie a bit long.. Is that because straight people need to get used to the idea of two men having a realtionship?
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Post by ragnar84 on Mar 7, 2006 7:22:30 GMT -5
That might be the case, although I noticed there was more straight sex than gay sex in the film. And you saw boobies but hardly any willy or arse! Obviously didn't want to scare off too many straight men I think.
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Post by ysang on Mar 7, 2006 7:51:23 GMT -5
yeah, think so too... although i think that the "straight scenes" when ennis is sleeping with alma, there is that moment where you wonder if he is thinking about jack... (maybe it's just me)...
and throughout the whole movie there was never a moment where i felt kinda embarrassed with the erotic scenes which i do sometimes, it was so well put in the context...
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Post by ragnar84 on Mar 7, 2006 8:57:33 GMT -5
...could you possibly mean when Ennis throws Alma over and takes her from behind? I think he's imagining he's with Jack!
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Post by Kelley on Mar 7, 2006 9:06:43 GMT -5
I think that is what it means, I am aware there are many positions but when he slammed her down, it was my take that he desired anal and Jack more than his wife...
I agree, there were many more feminine female ...er forms exposed, and the male seemed to be covered in the dark. Which, I mean is fine... I am sure it was cinematographly done for a reason...
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Post by ysang on Mar 7, 2006 12:55:48 GMT -5
yeah, i think so as well...
i first thought it is a bit "stereotype" gay sex in the beginning, but now i think it's the only imaginable thing what they do... i like that it i filmed in darkness, accosding to the state of their connection, there is that passion and urge and in the same moment ennis is fighting against it... the later scenes are in a completly different way... they already decided consciously that they want each other...
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Post by Kelley on Mar 7, 2006 13:42:38 GMT -5
I never really thought about the light / vs / dark in that respect, that is... Very interesting and needless to say makes a lot of sense! Thanks for voicing that Ysang, I can completely understand it when you state like so.
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Post by jakesdream on Mar 8, 2006 15:46:25 GMT -5
Yes I agree that gay men would probably feel a little bit of ' relief ' that there is a movie that has dared to touch on a subject that has been taboo? For myself I am just blown away by the extent that it has touch my own life. I can totally put myself in the same situation and how I would feel. As for the whole ' sex ' thing I would have LOVED to see a lot more, but realistically I don't think the main stream audience would have been able to handle a lot more intimate scenes. Also don't the actors usually have some type of 'clause' in their contract about nudity and so on? It has ALWAYS been more acceptable to see the female body then the male. I don't understand how men (sorry not meaning to be judgmental or anything) can say it's totally fine to see EVERY inch of the female, but you show a c**k on screen and it's like Oh you can't show that. Oh well, I loved what I could see and it left me wanting more LOL.
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Post by xzcarlyzx on Mar 17, 2006 16:45:58 GMT -5
I don't really know. I went to see it and there were a lot of bothe genders. I liked it and cried. My best friend liked it and cried also. It had no effect to my mom though. It scared me when she didn't cry. So I have no idea who it effects more.
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Post by koka on Mar 18, 2006 7:18:42 GMT -5
I myself being a straight female teen can say I was completelly DEVESTATED by the story, the movie, absolutelly EVERYTHING! I think it doesn't matter whether you're gay or straight- if you understand the true meaning of love, you'll be more than able to see&UNDERSTAND this movie. but then again, there are ( straight ) people who went to see this movie with a closed mind thinking ALL THE TIME how it's about two guys and how that's yuck or something so they didn't ALLOW themselves to fully experience it. and those people were the ones who thought the movie was boring, slow etc. on the other hand, there are ( straight ) people who also can't seem to shake the thought of the two being guys, especially in the beginning and during the first tent scene but later on, as the story evolves, they get absorbed by it, they totally forget that's it two guys- they just get used to the idea of them as a couple and they see them as two human beeings who sufer and hurt because they can't be together. Back to me- I totally relate to the story, althought I'm female, straight and only 17. The thing is, sometimes I feel like I'm in love with love itself. Although I didn't have the oppurtunity to experience true love yet ( I did once and I know it was love but it unfortunatelly wasn't mutual ), I understand this story 100%, I feel for the characters, I understand what they're going through and I realise how hard it must have been for them. So to sum it up- I don't think you have to be gay to realte to the story ( and mind you, there are also gay people who neither got nor understood the movie )- what trully matters is WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE INSIDE! and ones sexual orientation has absolutelly nothing to do with that.
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