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Post by tina45 on Mar 1, 2006 12:21:41 GMT -5
i loved that line "i wish i new how to quit you" that is the most touching line in the whole film it was just amazing
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Post by Kelley on Mar 2, 2006 8:59:24 GMT -5
The part that was so powerful to me was right after that when Ennis said It's because of you I'm like this, I have nothing I just wanted them together and then it ends so tragically
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Post by freezzze on Mar 4, 2006 8:15:14 GMT -5
There's so many emotions one gets from this film I was in a shock after the movie, well I still am a bit... Í couldn't sleep last night just because of the movie. And since I'm gonna watch it again I hope it'll help me getting over it
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Post by Kelley on Mar 4, 2006 8:43:37 GMT -5
I hope it gives you the response you are looking for! After 10x of seeing it I think I can say it is just as powerful each and everytime, I cannot say that of many films. This one truly makes you soul search and think honestly to the core of who you are and what you believe.
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Post by ragnar84 on Mar 4, 2006 12:11:24 GMT -5
There's so many emotions one gets from this film I was in a shock after the movie, well I still am a bit... Í couldn't sleep last night just because of the movie. And since I'm gonna watch it again I hope it'll help me getting over it It doesn't help! I've just seen it for the second time and I'm still obsessed. Jack totally had the hots for Ennis from start. He eyes him up when he gets out of the truck. And again when he's shaving in the wing mirror. He's sly too when he suggests that the two of them should be sleeping in the camp together instead of one of them with the sheep because its against Forestry rules. And the way he looks at him alternates between lust and adoration. He totally is Jack Nasty! I also noticed for the first time that Jack had taken Ennis's shirt and wrapped his own over it before hiding it in the closet. And after Ennis had found them 20 years later, he reversed them and put Jack's shirt inside his. Too sad for words. I'm going to cry now
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Des
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Post by Des on Mar 4, 2006 20:13:38 GMT -5
Hi just thought I'd put my tuppence worth in!! I have already posted this on IHEARTJAKE. but it also belongs on here!!
OK - this is going to be a long post but wanted to say why I have become so entralled and moved by this movie!!
I thought Brokeback Mountain was such a terrific film because it dealt with such pertinent issues as homosexuality, bigotry and the nature of love especially in a hostile world!! For me these are particularly important issues in the age we live in especially as the President of the USA is trying to change the American constitution to deprive certain people of their rights!! I won't give a political sermon as I'm not really that way inclined, (more of a liberal conservative) although I like to keep up to date with the issues of today!! However the movie arrives in this political climate that exists today and for me is particularly important!!
The movie was visually lush, which I think is recognised by evryone who sees it, and which you would expect from the director of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Ang Lee has said that BM is just an old-fashioned love story but I think that is just a disengenious way of distancing himself from all the gay stuff. Gylenhaal and Ledger for me turn in astonishing performances (remember they are not gay men) and Ledger is fantastic as the almost mute Ennis who for the first 30 minutes, has to grapple with emotions for which he just has no name!! We have to remember that the movie starts in the 1960's and the climate surrounding the relationship of 2 men together was completely different to that which exists today!! But I have to admit that Jake is my personal favourite - he gives such a wonderful and evocative performance - that I was SO taken in by his portrayal!! Therefore, I think the film delivers the exploration of the sexual love between the two men, as well as the social forces that ultimately tear them apart!!
I may be seeing the film from a different perspective but I felt there was such a feeling of repression of sexual desire in the first part of the movie which was practically tangable for me. I have known friends who have been in "similar" situations and I know from my own experiences some of the pressures and hostility to the kind of "friendship" which the movie portrays!! And then of course we come to the sexual awakening of Jack and Ennis. At first there is the act of denial from them both and then we see them reverting to their previous lifestyles and getting married and having children as this was the accepted thing to do!! But that bond of sexual desire is never far from the surface and continues to draw them ever closer. However, we see that Jack is willing to set up home with Ennis and enter a "traditional" relationship with Ennis but the latter cannot dissuade himself from his surroundings and the accepted "normality" of the time and place in which he lives!! To me this was the saddest bit (apart from Jack's death). Jack really wanted a gay life with Ennis and was prepared to come out and go for that. Ennis of course was so deeply in the closet that he wouldn’t consider it. The last time they met Jack said something like " a few high altitude fucks a couple of times a year might be enough for you but it certainly isn’t for me". I feel that Jack convinced himself that if Ennis didn’t want him as a partner then he would try for that type of relationship with someone else who might. In striking up with the other guy he was in effect trying to move on from Ennis but of course he never could because he loved Ennis too much. I found this really quite profound and really quite sad!!
I always wondered did Ennis know the truth when he visited Jack's parents? And I believed that he didn't know anything more than he would have had access to any information that would have been contrary to what he had been told. I like to think that he believed the original story rather than the true one. It would have been easier for him to live with that rather than the thought that, had he been open to the possibility of he and Jack being together then Jack would not have been in a situation where he was cruising and subsequently queer bashed. And of course he would still have been alive!! That was until I read the book and the screenplay which although they suggest that Ennis thought Jack's death might have been caused by the tire iron we are left to make our own minds up - so I want to believe my earlier comment that Ennis never really knew the truth!!
Perhaps I can see more from the movie as I can relate things from my own life and see things in a different perspective but I've seen the movie three times now and I had several unanswered questions running through my mind after seeing the movie for the first time. It was only on the later viewings that some very subtle observations became reality. The screenplay was adapted from a short novel so I don't know if my observations are correct. But I can only go on what I saw on the screen and what was hinted at. Admittedly there seemed to be a lot of unanswered questions, which is why I will definitely be going to see it again!!
I think it most certainly deserves it's Oscar nomination - whether it will go on or whether it desrves to win I can't say as I haven't seen all the films nominated. It may not win the best film but it may win for best director. Of course as a gay man I'm hoping for all the nominations for the film to be in the "winning" category!! That's just a personal wish as I believe the more people who may go on to see the movie may therefore be more able to recognise the rights of minorities and be more accepting of alternative lifestyles!! Certainly I would hope the film reduces the hostility which still exists for the type of relationships which the movie tries to portray and the difficulties facing those involved!!
This a film very close to my heart!!
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Post by ysang on Mar 5, 2006 7:39:26 GMT -5
wow, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!!!
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Post by Kelley on Mar 5, 2006 10:49:17 GMT -5
Des, first of all thank you so much for putting all of your time and energy into writing such a well thought out dissertation of your thoughts. I cannot stress enough how much I love to read other people's take and beliefs of things that I myself anaylze. You rise so many great points, I could quote and comment on them all, but I will not for sake of other's sanity Thank you again
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Post by Kelley on Mar 6, 2006 23:04:28 GMT -5
You are welcome Sorry I am still blown away by the depth of thought you go into... much like myself but often I cannot find the proper words You state it so clearly, so wonderfully. Thank you again
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Post by ysang on Mar 7, 2006 13:02:44 GMT -5
i just remembered that moment in the beginning, ennis i waiting for aguirre, you don't see his face, he is in his typical way hiding his vulnerability, putting his head down and you just see the hat and then there is that train coming by between the visitor and him and already there is that whole amount of ennis behaviour put in a symbol: letting chances go away, sort of "your life is running by without you"...
i also was so touched by that fact that they need twenty years to finally talk about the real, profound things...
(sorry, pretty difficult to express)
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Post by rafael83 on Mar 7, 2006 13:26:59 GMT -5
@ Des => I love your thoughts! @ Ysang => Yes, since I read some books on symbolism, I search these kind of symbols ! I haven't found the symbolism with the train and the life which run without Ennis... Thank you!
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Post by jakesdream on Mar 8, 2006 15:30:04 GMT -5
Wow we have some very deep ppl here loved your posts. What can I say after Des post except this movie has really touched my life and I really wonder if the actors (Jake/Heath) know how they have made these characters matter to so many different ppl. I mean no award could be given for touching human hearts To me there was so much more than acting going on between the two, they must have really trusted each other and also gotten to know one another extremly well. In the movie I thought that there were a lot of parts that really showed how Ennis felt, but it was like he just couldn't (or rather dare) act on them. Jeeze I just feel so physically exhausted when I think about this film and the impact it has on me Anyway love reading everyone's thoughts
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Post by Kelley on Mar 9, 2006 8:37:58 GMT -5
i just remembered that moment in the beginning, ennis i waiting for aguirre, you don't see his face, he is in his typical way hiding his vulnerability, putting his head down and you just see the hat and then there is that train coming by between the visitor and him and already there is that whole amount of ennis behaviour put in a symbol: letting chances go away, sort of "your life is running by without you"... i also was so touched by that fact that they need twenty years to finally talk about the real, profound things... (sorry, pretty difficult to express) No, no... you expressed them great. Yes in the beginning I love that slow interlude where we get to know the characters before they even speak. And the train thing, I well... (you are so smart! I did not catch that one) but you see from the way Jack acts too, the role he is to take in their relatiionship, in the future
I too was touched by that, it was one of the things that made it painful! We could see their love.. with each anticipation of getting to the other once or twice a year... but at the end they finally.. I don't know if it was 'confessed' their love... but we got to the heart of their emotions... and that flashback .... I wanted that to be reality!
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Post by koka on Mar 12, 2006 10:18:15 GMT -5
anyway, I went to see brokeback for the 5th time yesterday. I went with my best male friend and my mom. my mom loved the movie, she cried in the end and told me: 'it was so beautiful but you know what Koka, you'll fully come to understand this movie when you're over 40'....I already knew what she was aiming at ( the whole 'life experince' thing ), but I didn't wanna argue. I mean, if my mom only knew how much I REALLY get this movie, she'd be surprised.
during the second tent scene, an older guy from the audience started to protest. he literally started YELLING stuff like: 'THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!! WHY DOESN'T ANYONE SAY SOMETHING!?HOW CAN ONE CALL THIS ART?!!!!!'. then a few girls started yelling back: 'YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP. WE PAYED TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!!' then the guy continued with his 'OUTRAGEOUS....UNNATURAL....HOW CAN YOU CALL IT ART' monologue....then some other people said: 'WHY DID YOU COME HERE IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP' and then the guys said: 'NOW I WON'T GO'....so half the theater missed the scene when aguirre sees jack&ennis....I so wanted to yell at that stupi son of a bitch ( the guy from the audience I mean ) but my best friend told me best not to. and what I realised, as far as the audience is concerned- there was quite a few laughs during the first and second tent scene and the reunion kiss but as the story went further on, the audience calmed down and I think that by the end of the film, people stopped seeing jack&ennis as two guys and started accepting them as a real couple. the strange thing in my case is- I basically NEVER saw them as two guys. just as two people who fell in love. and the irony is- each time I watch the movie and I hear laughter a naive thought popps up in my head: 'why are these people laughigh? what's so funny?' and THEN I realise 'oh....because they're guys'....I mean, that's totally strange to me 'cause I really can't seem to see them as two guys. and that's what's so great about this movie... ah, I just love it so damn much!!!
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